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4.17 Imported Geographies, Italian Packages, paragraph 1, replying to Paul Gehl

Sorry about that – that sprung to mind as the reason immediately after I re-sent my post…But thanks for the quick reply, and I certainly give permission for my question to be passed along to any and everyone!

I might send your question on to Ted Cachey, Eddie --with your permission. He is the great expert on this subject. My immediate sense is that Italians in general were deeply interested in the discoveries themselves, and in all the issues around them, but that the humanists in particular did not feel that it was a field of study they owned.

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Posted September 20, 2011  5:11 pm
4.17 Imported Geographies, Italian Packages, paragraph 1

I tried posting this before, but my comment got eaten, so let’s try this again…

I wonder if the fact that the earliest voyages to the New World, if not done by Italian states still were done with Italian navigators and innovations, allowed for an early interest in the New World discoveries by Italian humanists, only dying out after the imperial powers developed independence from Italian aid. Also, Italy was the place of refuge for those escaping the fall of Byzantium, as well as a main center of contact – through attempted invasions, trade, and attempts at counter-attack – with the Arab/Ottoman world, having much closer contact than the imperial powers like Spain, Portugal, etc., did. Did this result in Italian humanists drawing more inspiration on the geographic/naturalistic discoveries of the East, even if they ignored the discoveries coming in from the other direction? Or was the knowledge of the Muslim/Eastern world so diffused through Europe at this time that it would have had little impact on Italian humanists specifically?

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Posted September 20, 2011  12:51 pm
4.17 Imported Geographies, Italian Packages, paragraph 1

Italians may have been isolated from New World discoveries, although given that Italian navigators and innovations were vital to the initial imperial adventures of those other states, I wonder if there was an initial interest that died off once Spain, et al., developed independence from that Italian aid. But at the same time, Italy was where refugees from Byzantium traveled, and had more direct contact with the Arab and Turkish worlds – through the attempted Ottoman invasions, trade contacts, and as a site to prepare for Christian counter-attacks on the Muslim world – than many of those same imperial powers who were focused on the New World. So I wonder, is there any evidence that while Spanish, Dutch., etc., humanists were more receptive to the geographic and naturalistic discoveries of the New World, Italian humanists may have still been receptive to discoveries and contact in the other direction, ie, with the Eastern world? Or by the 15th/16th centuries, had the knowledge of the Muslim world been largely diffused throughout Christendom already?

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Posted September 20, 2011  12:39 pm